Comments on: Beginner Lesson #11 - Have you seen my car keys? http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/ Learn Italian with Free Podcasts! Whether you are student or a seasoned speaker, our lessons offer something for everyone. We incorporate culture and current issues into each episode to give the most informative, both linguistically and culturally, podcasts possible. For those of you with just the plane ride to prepare, check our survival phrase series at ItalianPod101.com. One of these phrases just might turn your trip into the best one ever! Sun, 12 Oct 2008 17:14:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.11 by: Peter http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-584 Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:25:45 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-584 Roma55, Thanks for the links to the resources. I see no good reason why a simple line cannot be added where a new grammatical point is introduced. For example: Note: “La” in this case is not the definite article “la” but a form of “lei” (you, formal) which will be covered in detail later or Note: “gli” used with plural nouns changes to ”i” before… I do think that all new material should be explained and honestly don’t think that it takes a lot to cover it all even if it is explained more fully at later date. It is just frustrating having unexplained gaps. Anyway that is my experience which can be utilised or disregarded. Thanks again. I had thought that you were connected with the site but now believe that you are motivated purely altruistically! Of course your confidence is totally misplaced but I shall persevere. Roma55,

Thanks for the links to the resources.

I see no good reason why a simple line cannot be added where a new grammatical point is introduced.

For example:

Note: “La” in this case is not the definite article “la” but a form of “lei” (you, formal) which will be covered in detail later or

Note: “gli” used with plural nouns changes to ”i” before…

I do think that all new material should be explained and honestly don’t think that it takes a lot to cover it all even if it is explained more fully at later date. It is just frustrating having unexplained gaps.

Anyway that is my experience which can be utilised or disregarded.

Thanks again. I had thought that you were connected with the site but now believe that you are motivated purely altruistically! Of course your confidence is totally misplaced but I shall persevere.

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by: roma55 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-572 Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:24:03 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-572 Ciao Peter! I am following your posts and I can simpatise with your frustration. On the other hand I agree with Marco that if every grammatical subject were covered thoroughly as soon as it is encountered, learning would get daunting for many. The fact is we all approach languages differently. I am sure the grammar bank will soon cover this subject for a thorough review. In the mean time you may wish to try this site: http://www.uvm.edu/~cmazzoni/3grammatica/grammatica/ and see if it answers most of your questions - if not please write to me or post again on the forum. You may also find it interesting to look at wikipedia articles on this subject. I suggest you look also at the corresponing italian page as this will give you a glimpse of the vocabulary Italians use to talk their language. It is a very good exercise just to get a feel for it, even if you shoul find that some of the expressions used are a bit beyond beginner level: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_grammar http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatica_italiana Don't give up! you have the approach of true linguist-hang on in there and you'll get were you want to be. Buona fortuna! roma55 Ciao Peter!

I am following your posts and I can simpatise with your frustration. On the other hand I agree with Marco that if every grammatical subject were covered thoroughly as soon as it is encountered, learning would get daunting for many.

The fact is we all approach languages differently. I am sure the grammar bank will soon cover this subject for a thorough review. In the mean time you may wish to try this site:

http://www.uvm.edu/~cmazzoni/3grammatica/grammatica/

and see if it answers most of your questions - if not please write to me or post again on the forum.

You may also find it interesting to look at wikipedia articles on this subject. I suggest you look also at the corresponing italian page as this will give you a glimpse of the vocabulary Italians use to talk their language. It is a very good exercise just to get a feel for it, even if you shoul find that some of the expressions used are a bit beyond beginner level:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_grammar
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatica_italiana

Don’t give up! you have the approach of true linguist-hang on in there and you’ll get were you want to be.

Buona fortuna!

roma55

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by: Peter http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-562 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:52:54 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-562 Dear Marco, It may be obvious to some on here that "gli" changes to "i" before a plural possessive pronoun following the rules about definite articles before male nouns beginning with a consonant but a note in the grammar section would be useful for idiots like me who need to be spoon fed. Dear Marco,

It may be obvious to some on here that “gli” changes to “i” before a plural possessive pronoun following the rules about definite articles before male nouns beginning with a consonant but a note in the grammar section would be useful for idiots like me who need to be spoon fed.

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by: Marco http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-558 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:50:58 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-558 Dear petiteclaire, hehe, when I was a teenager I thought I really had leprechauns in my house or that I was loosing my mind, until I found out my mother was always tidying my room!!! Ciao Dear petiteclaire,
hehe, when I was a teenager I thought I really had leprechauns in my house or that I was loosing my mind, until I found out my mother was always tidying my room!!!
Ciao

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by: Marco http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-557 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:49:08 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-557 Yes Peter, you are correct there is only "i" and "le". Can you tell me why it is so? Just think about the rules for the usage of definite articles, I am sure you will find the answer. Ciao Marco Yes Peter, you are correct there is only “i” and “le”.
Can you tell me why it is so?
Just think about the rules for the usage of definite articles, I am sure you will find the answer.
Ciao
Marco

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by: Peter http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-556 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:54:05 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-556 I am rapidly losing the plot. In the possessive plural form is there only i and le and no gli which seems to change to i? e.g gli occhiali becomes i suoi occhiali Is it "i loro occhiali" for "their glasses"? I am rapidly losing the plot.

In the possessive plural form is there only i and le and no gli which seems to change to i?

e.g gli occhiali becomes i suoi occhiali

Is it “i loro occhiali” for “their glasses”?

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by: petiteclaire http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-553 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:16:49 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-553 Dear Marco and Cinzia, all the time !!! I'm positive there must be hundred of them at work in my flat, always misplacing things... :mrgreen: Dear Marco and Cinzia,

all the time !!!

I’m positive there must be hundred of them at work in my flat, always misplacing things… :mrgreen:

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by: ItalianPod101.com http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-432 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:23:49 +0000 http://www.italianpod101.com/2008/04/23/beginner-lesson-11-have-you-seen-my-car-keys/#comment-432 Do you also feel as if there are leprechauns in your house? Do you also feel as if there are leprechauns in your house?

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